Thursday, 18 June 2009

Neutrality, the Key to Peace

The way to make Britain neutral is for Scotland to declare its independence. Ireland insists on military neutrality and Scotland would do the same if it were to become an independent European nation. Wales would follow Scotland as the Union dissolved and England alone would remain as the only militaristic power.


Anonymous said...

Spot on! Fair play to Jill Evans MEP who is working on this all the time.

Imagine how much better off the people of Wales would be if we didn't have to pay for nuclear weapons, foreign wars, aircraft carriers, etc. Then we could have decent public services and economic investment.

Anonymous said...

neutrality was bugger all use against Hitler. Time to get off your sanctimonious horse and face reality.

Neutral Holland - Hitler ignored it.

Neutral Ireland in WW2 - less said the better.

Neutral Sweden - craven cowards.

Neutral Switzerland - dodgy money grabbers.

Neutrality is for the lobotomised.

When Wales becomes independent it will have to have and armed forces which will be ready to serve to defend democracy and national rights i.e. wit NATO in Kosovo against Milosevic.

alanindyfed said...

Naturally I don't agree with your militaristic views, but at least you say: "when Wales becomes independent".

Anonymous said...

Neutrality means that you do not form alliances which drag you into other peoples' war.

MECCAnopsis Cambrica said...

Anon does have a point. I am against wars of aggression which are immoral and arms races, which sap a state of resources that could be better spent on the welfare of its citizens. As for nuclear technology I think it is one of those things we as humanity wish we could 'un-invent' but now the challenge is only to reduce the risk of Mutually Assured Destruction.

However, all nations need to be able to protect its people and I don't think we could live with ourselves if we knew what obscenities the Nazis were committing against the Jews and had remained neutral.

Anonymous said...

Plaid and Jill's neutrality and obsession with pacifism is a vote loser in the Valleys. Does Plaid not see the link between pacifism and never making a true breakthrough in English-speaking working class areas?

People don't trust pacifists 'cos they know if push came to shove, the pacifists would give into the bully and would not stand up and fight for their identity and society.

Plaid is not a pacifist party. If Jill and yourself want Plaid to be a pacifist party then put it on the agenda at the annual conference and lets see it in black and white. Otherwise, grow-up and stop thinking that talking about peace brings peace. Ironic as it sounds, war sometimes brings peace and war is preferable to servitude and conquest.

alanindyfed said...

I would like to point out that the Irish fought for their freedom for hundreds of years because of English attempts to bring servitude and conquest, and having won their freedom the Irish are neutral.
The choice here is between militarism (Iraq, Afghanistan,Vietnam etc) and neutrality.
The obesession you speak of is with militarism and interference in the politics of other countries, and not with the position on neutrality.
Sweden and Switzerland have strong defence capabilities yet are neutral.
Plaid has its roots in pacifism and Gwynfor Evans was a pacifist, but this is a question of neutrality.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Jill Evans is a pacifist, so where does that label come from? But let's not forget that pacifists were / are some of the bravest people in the world.

Ireland has armed forces which have a proud record of working with the United Nations. Even the new EU set-up has potential for peace but only if it is de-coupled from NATO.

The bottom line is Wales must get out of militaristic UK and re-direct its national budget.

Come to think of it, though, we may soon have to defend our water resources against English-based predators.