Alienation of the Masses

The government in the UK is hell-bent on alienating public opinion, with all their ludicrous proposals. I wonder why? Are they bereft of their senses? Anyone with any sense and in tune with political reality can see that most of their policies would benefit from a complete reversal of posture! Thought for the day......

The Kurds, a Nation with no borders

A forgotten people

A persecution 'as flagrant in its implications as the situation in Gaza' is happening in Europe and being ignored by the international community, according to a Welsh representative who addressed an International Conference on EU, Turkey and the Kurds today in Brussels .

Former MEP Eurig Wyn, who is also a Plaid Cymru candidate for this year's European elections, said from the European Parliament:

"There are 40 million Kurds in Europe, 20 million of who reside in Turkey and they are being persecuted by the Turkish government.

“Kurdish-medium schools are banned, their language persecuted - parents aren't allowed to give children Kurdish names - and in the Eastern Kurdish community there is a designed economic deprivation and poverty."

A spokesperson for Amnesty International ( Wales ), Mr Wyn added that the EU should not allow membership for the Turkish state until they respected Kurdish political and linguistic rights.

He added:
"All the international directives are in place - the UN Charter, the Geneva Convention, and the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights - but they don't seem to be applied in relation to the Kurds. The incursions by the Turkish military into the Kurdish enclave in n orthern Iraq continue."


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The two day conference is entitled:

FIFTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON EU, TURKEY AND THE KURDS:
Time for Change in Turkey

Government Refutes IMF Report

The British government has unbelievably denied that Britain is the country worst affected by the Recession. However it is generally recognised that Britain will not be out of debt until 2030.

What the Govt didn't want to tell us

Breaking News

UK 'will suffer worst' amid turmoil

Press Assoc.

The UK is expected to suffer the worst slump of all advanced nations in the "deepest recession since the Second World War", world economists said.

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All major economies are expected to experience steep falls in output in 2009, but the drop for Britain is forecast to be substantially greater than the average, according to the International Monetary Fund's (IMF) World Economic Outlook.

In an update to its November report, the IMF said it had revised down its expectations for the contraction in the UK economy, from 1.3% to 2.8%. Advanced nations are expected to suffer an average 2% drop in output.

The IMF said global growth is expected to fall to 0.5% this year as the "scale and scope of the current financial crisis have taken the global economy into uncharted waters".

It called on governments to find new strategies to combat the economic turmoil and counter uncertainty.

"The main risk is that, unless stronger financial strains and uncertainties are forcefully addressed, the pernicious feedback loop between real activity and financial markets will intensify, leading to even more toxic effects on global growth," the report said.

Official figures last week confirmed that Britain fell into recession at the end of 2008. The UK economy contracted by 1.5% in the final three months of the year - worse than expected by analysts and sparking fears of a deep and prolonged recession.

Overall, UK gross domestic product (GDP) for 2008 as a whole fell to 0.7%, the poorest full-year output since 1992.

The UK recession has been all but inevitable in recent months as the financial crisis escalated in the wake of the credit crunch, which caused a crippling lending drought. This has hit the housing and construction markets hard, with all sectors across the economy now suffering.

The IMF said global recovery would not be possible until the financial sector began functioning again. The report said: "Despite wide-ranging policy actions, financial strains remain acute, pulling down the real economy."

Change - Watchword for 2009

Dragon of Change



If you do not make the change
Change will happen without you.
Then, where will you be?

Maligning Iceland - UK government stance

Icelanders are not terrorists

Gordon Brown unjustifiably used the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act
of 2001 against the people of Iceland for his own short-term political gain.
This has turned a grave situation into a national disaster, affecting
families in both Iceland and the United Kingdom. Help them avert greater
damage by signing this petition now.

http://www.indefence.is/Home

Please forward to as many as possible.

Many thanks

Homecoming 2009

Scotland Awaits

Britain's Last Election?

Independence Cymru foresees that the next General Election to be held in Britain by May 2010 will be the last (for the British parliament). I watched an interesting programme last night on BBC2 -Scotland which focused on the Thatcher years and their effect on the people of Scotland.
Inadvertently this Conservative government ushered in the ascent of the SNP and accelerated devolution and the setting up of a full parliament for Scotland.

It is strongly predicted that the next (and last?) General Election will result in a Conservative victory and a Tory government at Westminster. David Cameron is firmly against the break-up of the Union and the disintegration of the British state. In fact the Conservatives are merging with the Unionists of Northern Ireland in an attempt to bolster Unionism in Britain.

The people of Scotland and increasingly the people of Wales and northern Ireland think differently. The trend is away from empire-building and towards national independence for the countries of Britain. The people of these nations will not accept domination from Westminster as cultural values in Wales and Scotland are very different from those of England. There is a strong egalitarion and Libertarian element in the make-up of the Scots and the Welsh and a classlessness which does not accord with the nature and philosophy of the Conservatives and their establishment associates. Time will tell, but watch this space!

A Wind of Change

As a new year dawns a wind of change is sweeping across the world. The transgressions of past actions are manifesting themselves in a variety of ways and nothing will be the same.
The world is in need of a transfusion to revitalise not only its economy but its values.
The structures of society are in danger of collapse and a re-evaluation is required to bring about a new direction for mankind.

The elements which will transform society are not so much materialistic as spiritual. In order to survive mankind has essential material considerations: food, shelter and clothing, but there is an current imbalance causing turbulence and instability throughout human society. The rich and famous are honoured and feted and the remainder of society is ignored or encouraged to adopt false values. It is no shame to pass through life leaving scarcely a mark.

Past civilisations have been brought down through corruption and greed, as well as by environmental catastrophies. The most successful societies were those which cared for their environment as well as their people, who were content with their lot and demanded little, who lived in harmony with nature and treated their world with awe and reverence.

They were the pantheists, so-called primitive societies, the sun and moon worshippers, who saw the spirit of nature alive in every living thing. Today we see the world around us ravaged and exploited and we see conflicts between nations which are unable to co-exist. Gordon Brown, despite his self-confidence and arrogance, cannot save the world, but there is hope that Barack Obama can, and will, provided he can provide the inspiration and leadership that the world sorely needs. It is love and compassion along with wisdom and action which will transform this world.

The Hammer of the Poor Indeed

Independence Cymru recognises the truth wherever it is preached, whether it is spoken by Bishops or organs of the Conservative Party. The time has come to join forces, and unite to turn back the tide of crass materialism, deception and spin, and to stand up for the true values which are being spurned and trampled upon by the present government of the discredited United Kingdom.

Gordon Brown - The Hammer of the Poor.

Warning! This is a partisan post, written under the influence of a dark mood. The cause of this darkness? I've just read this bilge from Mr Liam Byrne, Cabinet Office Minister. I do not know how he can bring himself to speak in such a way - and on a Sunday as well.

How will our children, and their children, look back on what's being done to their futures by the current Labour Government. Will history record the 'spin' or the reality. Will it describe Gordon Brown in the way he wishes to be remembered, or the way he deserves to be - as Britain's worst Prime Minister of modern times. Will he be remembered as the Chancellor/Prime Minister who spent and borrowed so much that he brought the British economy to its knees. Over the last day or two, some Bishops have used their pulpits to help open the eyes of the British people to what this man has done and would like to be allowed to carry on doing.

What's instigated the Bishops to speak out is the realisation that its the poor who are going to pay the heaviest price. He was found out when he abolished the 10p tax rate. But the leopard doesn't change his spots. Its still the poor he's going to target. He preferred an ineffective temporary cut in VAT, rather than help poorer people by raising the starting rate at which income tax is payable. And to recover the money this pointlessness will cost, he tells us he plans to raise National Insurance Contributions - a direct tax on jobs, which again is going to put more people on the dole. The Bishops have seen through him. It will not be long until everyone else, at least those with eyes willing to see, will do the same.

Its the hideous 'spin' that grates with me. The whole 45p tax rate issue is nothing to do with raising money for the Exchequer - but to make it appear that he's hitting the rich. It'll probably raise less money for the Treasury, rather than more. He witters on about tax credits, knowing full well that many of the most needy don't claim it because its too complex. He shouts at the banks to lend more to support business, but he knows the terms on which he has lent the money to them to re-capitalise are on terms so unfavourable that they will want to repay as soon as possible. Its all 'spin'. And worst of all, he's raising Government borrowing to levels never dreamt of before - and trying to put all the blame on others. No - even worse than any of this , is that the Prime Minister seems to believe what he says. Its terrifying.

posted by Glyn Davies at 22:59

Britain's Spiritual Bankruptcy

Britain under "New Labour" is not only financially bankrupt but morally and spiritually bankrupt too. First the Archbishop of Canterbury, and now more church leader are speaking out about the legacy of the past ten years under Labour which has left Britain devoid of ethical and moral values. They speak of the encouragement given to people to spend causing them to get into spiralling debt, the rise of the property-owning democracy which saddles people with mortgages which they cannot afford to sustain and the encroachment on civil liberties which deprive people of the right to happiness. They are right in speaking out against the pernicious erosion of family and societal values and the destruction of community life. Britain is not the land that many of us grew up in and which we were led to believe to be the home of the free. It is time for change, for Britain to disband as a viable state so that the people of its constituent nations can embrace a different philosophy from the one which has led us all to this sorry state.

Your comments are welcomed.....

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Five senior figures from the Church of England warned that the country was suffering from family breakdown, an addiction to debt and a growing gap between rich and poor.

The bishops of Durham, Winchester, Manchester, Carlisle and Hulme accused ministers of squandering their opportunity to transform society and pursuing "scandalous" policies.

The interventions, in separate interviews in a Sunday newspaper, came after the Archbishop of Canterbury launched an extraordinary public attack on the Government last week.

Dr Rowan Williams said Gordon Brown's plans to spend more in order to tackle the recession were like an "addict returning to the drug", and suggested the economy had been going in the wrong direction for decades.

The Rt Rev Tom Wright, the Bishop of Durham, berated ministers for not doing enough to help the poor since 1997.

He said: "Labour made a lot of promises, but a lot of them have vanished into thin air. We have not seen a raising of aspirations in the last 13 years, but instead there is a sense of hopelessness.

"While the rich have got richer, the poor have got poorer. When a big bank or car company goes bankrupt, it gets bailed out, but no one seems to be bailing out the ordinary people who are losing their jobs and seeing their savings diminished."

The Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, the Bishop of Manchester, criticised Labour for encouraging people to get further into debt.

"The Government has acted scandalously. This is not just an economic issue, but a moral one. It's about what we value," he said.

"The Government believes that money can answer all of the problems and has encouraged greed and a love of money that the Bible says is the root of all evil.

"It's morally corrupt because it encourages people to get into a lifestyle of believing they can always get what they want."

The Rt Rev Stephen Lowe, the Bishop of Hulme, said: "The Government isn't telling people who are already deep in debt to stop overextending themselves, but instead is urging us to spend more. That is morally suspect and morally feeble.

"It is unfair and irresponsible of the Government to put pressure on the public to spend in order to revive the economy."

He suggested they were cynically attempting to improve the economy in time for the next general election.

"They are trying to take the credit for this, but are playing with people's livelihoods in the process."

Duchy of Cornwall - A Few Comparisons

Below is an economic comparison with some small countries throughout the world. Luxembourg is the most relevant as it is almost identical in size and population to Cornwall. It is also a Duchy. Cornwall earns a relatively high proportion of its GDP from three sectors – mining and quarrying; distribution, hotels and catering; and agriculture. In 1996 Cornwall's Gross Domestic Product was estimated to be £3,680 million. Cornwall had a population of 485,600 in 1997. Cornwall's population has grown by 27% since 1983 and its working population has risen by 24% in this same period.

Tourism is the only traditional industry which is currently expanding. There are now an estimated 4 million visitors a year spending some £930 million, although only about a third of this is retained in Cornwall. The industry accounts for around 30,000 jobs with many more at the peak of the season. In 1997 87.1% of Cornish employees worked in small firms with fewer than 10 employees, more than the 83.6% equivalent for the UK. In 1996/7 21% of the workforce were self employed, nearly double the UK average of 11.6%.

Cornwall National name: Kernow Area: 1370 sq.mi (3550 sq.km) Population: 485,600 in 1997 Density per sq mi: 1.4 people per hectare, 363 per sq. mi Economic summary: GDP/PPP: 1996 Gross Domestic Product est.£3,680 million ($6 Billion) ; per capita: £7,614 ($12,410) Real growth rate: 1.9% Inflation: 2.3%. Unemployment: 4.8% Jan 2001 Industries: Distribution & catering (25.3%), Other Services (30%), Construction (9.3%), Banking & Finance (7.7%), Agriculture Forestry & Fishing (6.0%), Other manufacturing (5.4%), Manufacturing metal etc (5.1%), Transport (5.1%), Mining (2.8%), Energy & Water (1.2%)

Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Ruler: Grand Duke Henri (2000) Premier: Jean-Claude Juncker (1995) Area: 998 sq mi (2,586 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 448,569 Density per sq. mi.: 449 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $15.9 billion; per capita $36,400. Real growth rate: 5.7%. Inflation: 7.8%. Unemployment: 2.7%. Labour force: 248,000 (of whom 70,200 are foreign cross-border workers primarily from France, Belgium, and Germany) (2000); services 83.2%, industry 14.3%, agriculture 2.5% (1998 est.). Industries: banking, iron and steel, food processing, chemicals, metal products, engineering, tires, glass, aluminium. Natural resources: iron ore (no longer exploited), arable land. Exports: $7.6 billion (f.o.b., 2000): machinery and equipment, steel products, chemicals, rubber products, glass. Imports: $10 billion (c.i.f., 2000): minerals, metals, foodstuffs, quality consumer goods. Major trading partners: EU, U.S

Republic of Iceland
National name: Lydveldid Island President: Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson (1996) Prime Minister: David Oddsson (1991) Area: 39,768 sq mi (103,000 sq km)1 Population (2002 est.): 279, Density per sq mi: 7 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $6.85 billion; per capita $24,800. Real growth rate: 4.3%. Inflation: 3.5%. Unemployment: 2.7% (Jan. 2001). Labour force: 159,000 (2000); agriculture 5.1%, fishing and fish processing 11.8%, manufacturing 12.9%, construction 10.7%, other services 59.5% (1999). Industries: fish processing; aluminium smelting, ferro-silicon production, geothermal power; tourism. Natural resources: fish, hydropower, geothermal power, diatomite. Exports: $2 billion (f.o.b., 2000): fish and fish products 70%, animal products, aluminium, diatomite and ferro-silicon. Imports: $2.2 billion (f.o.b., 2000): machinery and equipment, petroleum products; foodstuffs, textiles. Major trading partners: EU, U.S., Japan.

Principality of Liechtenstein
Ruler: Prince Hans Adam II (1989) Head of Government: Otmar Hasler (2001) Area: 62 sq mi (160 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 32,842 Density per sq mi: 532 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (1998 est.): $730 million; per capita $23,000. Real growth rate: n.a. Inflation: 0.5% (1997 est.). Unemployment: 1.8% (Feb. 1999). Labour force: 22,891 of which 13,847 are foreigners; 8,231 commute from Austria and Switzerland to work each day; industry, trade, and building 45%, services 53%, agriculture, fishing, forestry, and horticulture 2% (1997 est.). Industries: electronics, metal manufacturing, textiles, ceramics, pharmaceuticals, food products, precision instruments, tourism. Natural resources: hydroelectric potential, arable land. Exports: $2.47 billion (1996): small speciality machinery, dental products, stamps, hardware, pottery. Imports: $917.3 million (1996): machinery, metal goods, textiles, foodstuffs, motor vehicles. Major trading partners: EU and EFTA countries.

Principality of Andorra
National name: Valls d'Andorra Head of Government: Marc Forné Molné (1994) Area: 181 sq mi (468 sq km) Population (2003 est.): 69, Density per sq mi: 379 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (1996 est.): $1.2 billion; per capita $18,000. Real growth rate: n.a. Inflation: 1.62% (1998). Unemployment: 0%. Labour force: 30,787 salaried employees (1998); agriculture 1%, industry 21%, services 72%, other 6% (1998). Industries: tourism (particularly skiing), cattle raising, timber, tobacco, banking. Natural resources: hydropower, mineral water, timber, iron ore, lead. Exports: $58 million (f.o.b., 1998): tobacco products, furniture. Imports: $1.077 billion (c.i.f., 1998): consumer goods, food, electricity. Major trading partners: France, Spain, U.S.

Principality of Monaco
National name: Principauté de Monaco Ruler: Prince Rainier III (1949) Minister of State: Patrick Leclercq (2000) Area: 0.75 sq mi (465 acres) (1.95 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 31, Density per sq mi: 42,485 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (1999 est.): $870 million; $27,000 per capita. Real growth rate: n.a. Inflation: n.a. Unemployment: 3.1% (1998). Labour force: 30,540 (Jan. 1994). Natural resources: none. Exports: n.a. Imports: n.a. Full customs integration with France, which collects and rebates Monegasque trade duties; also participates in EU

Most Serene Republic of San Marino National name: Repubblica di San Marino Captains Regent: Giuseppe Maria Morganti and Mauro Chiaruzzi (2002) Area: 24 sq mi (61.2 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 27, Density per sq mi: 1,174 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $860 million; per capita $32,000. Real growth rate: 8%. Inflation: 2.2% (2000). Unemployment: 3% (1999). Labour force: 18,500 (1999); services 60%, industry 38%, agriculture 2% (1998 est.). Industries: tourism, banking, textiles, electronics, ceramics, cement, wine. Natural resources: building stone. Exports: trade data are included with the statistics for Italy: building stone, lime, wood, chestnuts, wheat, wine, baked goods, hides, ceramics. Imports: trade data are included with the statistics for Italy: wide variety of consumer manufactures, food.

State of Qatar
Emir: Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani (1995) Prime Minister: Abdullah bin Khalifa al-Thani (1996) Area: 4,416 sq mi (11,437 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 793, Density per sq mi: 180 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $15.1 billion; per capita $20,300. Real growth rate: 4%. Inflation: 2.5%. Unemployment: n.a. Labour force: 233,000 (1993 est.). Industries: crude oil production and refining, fertilisers, petrochemicals, steel reinforcing bars, cement. Natural resources: petroleum, natural gas, fish. Exports: $9.8 billion (f.o.b., 2000 est.): petroleum products 80%, fertilisers, steel. Imports: $3.8 billion (f.o.b., 2000 est.): machinery and transport equipment, food, chemicals. Major trading partners: Japan, Singapore, South Korea, U.S., UAE, UK, Italy.

State of Bahrain
Emir: Sheik Hamad ibn Isa al-Khalifah (1999) Prime Minister: Sheik Khalifah ibn Sulman al-Khalifah (1970) Area: 257 sq mi (665 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 656, Density per sq mi: 2,742 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est): $10.1 billion; per capita $15,900. Real growth rate: 5%. Inflation: 2%. Unemployment: 15% (1998 est.). Labour force: 295,000 (1998 est.); industry, commerce, and service 79%, government 20%, agriculture 1% (1997 est.). Industries: petroleum processing and refining, aluminium smelting, offshore banking, ship repairing; tourism. Natural resources: oil, associated and non-associated natural gas, fish, pearls. Exports: $5.8 billion (f.o.b., 2000): petroleum and petroleum products, aluminium. Imports: $4.2 billion (f.o.b., 2000): non-oil, crude oil. Major trading partners: India, Saudi Arabia, U.S., UAE, Japan, South Korea, France.

State of Brunei Darussalam
Sultan: Haji Hassanal Bolkiah (1967) Area: 2,228 sq mi (5,770 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 350,898 Density per sq mi: 158 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $5.9 billion; per capita $17,600. Real growth rate: 3%. Inflation: 1% (1999 est.). Unemployment: 4.9% (1995 est.). Labour force: 144,000 (1995 est.); note: includes foreign workers and military personnel; government 48%, production of oil, natural gas, services, and construction 42%, agriculture, forestry, and fishing 10% (1999 est.). Industries: petroleum, petroleum refining, liquefied natural gas, construction. Natural resources: petroleum, natural gas, timber. Exports: $2.55 billion (f.o.b., 1999 est.): crude oil, natural gas, refined products. Imports: $1.3 billion (c.i.f., 1999 est.): machinery and transport equipment, manufactured goods, food, chemicals. Major trading partners: Japan, U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Singapore, UK, Malaysia.

Bermuda
Status: Overseas territory Governor: Sir John Vereker (2002) Premier: Jennifer Smith (1998) Area: 21 sq mi (53.3 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 63,960; Density per sq mi: 2,817 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $2.1 billion; per capita $33,000. Real growth rate: 1.5%. Inflation: 2.7%. Unemployment: negl. (1995). Labour force: 35,296 (1997); clerical 23%, services 22%, labourers 17%, professional and technical 17%, administrative and managerial 12%, sales 7%, agriculture and fishing 2% (1996). Industries: tourism, finance, insurance, structural concrete products, paints, perfumes, pharmaceuticals, ship repairing. Natural resources: limestone, pleasant climate fostering tourism. Exports: $56 million (2000 est.): re-exports of pharmaceuticals. Imports: $739 million (2000 est.): machinery and transport equipment, construction materials, chemicals, food and live animals. Major trading partners: UK, U.S., Mexico.

Republic of Estonia
National name: Eesti President: Arnold Rüütel (2001) Prime Minister: Siim Kallas (2002) Area: 17,462 sq mi (45,226 sq km) Population (2002 est.): 1,415, Density per sq mi: 81 Economic summary: GDP/PPP (2000 est.): $14.7 billion; per capita $10,000. Real growth rate: 6.4%. Inflation: 4.1% (1999 est.). Unemployment: 11.7% (1999 est.). Labour force: 785,500; industry 20%, agriculture 11%, services 69% (1999 est.). Industries: oil shale, shipbuilding, phosphates, electric motors, excavators, cement, furniture, clothing, textiles, paper, shoes, apparel. Natural resources: shale oil (kukersite), peat, phosphorite, amber, cambrian blue clay, limestone, dolomite, arable land. Exports: $3.1 billion (f.o.b., 2000): machinery and equipment, wood products, textiles, food products, metals, chemical products (1999). Imports: $4 billion (f.o.b., 2000): machinery and equipment, chemical products, foodstuffs, metal product, textiles (1999). Major trading partners: Finland, Sweden, Russia, Latvia, Germany, U.S., Japan.
Phil T, Cornishman in Oman

British Labour's Taxing Regime

Under failed Labour government Britain has the largest debt in its entire history.
Gordon Brown through his policy of leading the country into debt, and now along with James Purnell, has unwittingly engineered massive redundancy as thousands of workers become unemployed. A loan to help the needy is to be is proposed with an interest rate of up to 27 per cent.
Is it possible that Labour has dug its own grave?
Does Labour rely in the masochism of the working class?
Merry Christmas and Nadolig Llawen to all.

Scottish Protest

SNP launch new attack against GB football team

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Have your say: Scottish National Party

SNP sport spokesman Pete Wishart has called on Fifa to investigate interference by the UK government over attempts to "force through" the 2012 team.

Mr Wishart has also written to prime minister Gordon Brown seeking an explanation for the alleged "meddling" and highlighting Fifa statutes that prohibit political intervention by governments. Mr Wishart said: "The Labour government at Westminster is playing politics with the people's game by trying to force through a British Olympic football team with no regard for the views of the Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland football authorities or the fans of all four home nations, who are united in their opposition to this daft and dangerous idea.

"Significantly, all four home nations' supporters associations are actively working together to oppose this irresponsible idea."