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Well, look closely and you will see the two kingdoms of Gwynedd and Deheubarth, which constitute present-day Wales (Cymru). There are also other areas - Gwent and lands west of the Severn and Wye.
In the second map Wales has been devoured by England but nevertheless existed though no longer recognised.
Annexed and incorporated into England 1535 A.D., and the language designated for extirpation. The French deported Breton families to the South of France in a similar move. Tartars were deported to Siberia. The list of atrocities begins at home.
I think Gwynedd was called Venedotia-I don't know whether that was its old Roman name.It never became a marcher lordship unlike Deheubarth which was parcelled out among the Norman freebooters.
I can't see Wales on either map.
ReplyDeleteWell, look closely and you will see the two kingdoms of Gwynedd and Deheubarth, which constitute present-day Wales (Cymru). There are also other areas - Gwent and lands west of the Severn and Wye.
ReplyDeleteIn the second map Wales has been devoured by England but nevertheless existed though no longer recognised.
I see Gwynedd and Deheubarth. I understand that the two kingdoms (with other areas) make up what we now understand Wales to be.
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't see is a Wales that was lost.
Annexed and incorporated into England 1535 A.D., and the language designated for extirpation.
ReplyDeleteThe French deported Breton families to the South of France in a similar move. Tartars were deported to Siberia. The list of atrocities begins at home.
Not according to the map.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the 1600 A.D. map
ReplyDeleteshowing the Kingdom of England only.
Not according to either map.
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As a matter of interest, what did the English call Gwynedd and Deheubarth following the extirpation of Welsh?
ReplyDeleteThey were unsuccessful - Welsh was not extirpated!
ReplyDeleteNonetheless, what did the English call Gwynedd and Deheubarth.
ReplyDeleteI only asked.
I think Gwynedd was called Venedotia-I don't know whether that was its old Roman name.It never became a marcher lordship unlike Deheubarth which was parcelled out among the Norman freebooters.
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