tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7368175516194303327.post8834868045541394650..comments2023-11-05T01:12:59.322-08:00Comments on Independence Cymru and Alba: That Loyal! The Labour DilemmaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16258854366964329334noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7368175516194303327.post-55249943423916128582007-07-02T11:11:00.000-07:002007-07-02T11:11:00.000-07:00So you are Hayzell David!!So you are Hayzell David!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7368175516194303327.post-65662237195340847852007-06-28T17:13:00.000-07:002007-06-28T17:13:00.000-07:00I think the point about devolution pre-1979 is ver...I think the point about devolution pre-1979 is very important. A lot of comrades forget that the Thatcherite assault would have been much harder had Labour been in power in Scotland and Wales *at that particular time*...<BR/><BR/>Having brought in legislation for devolution, it was sabotaged, and what could have guaranteed resistance throughout the 1980s was lost: a degree of representation for two of the nations within the UK.<BR/><BR/>The level of entrism and radicalism within labour is unthinkable today, and if devolution had occured at that time, Labour might have loosened the attachment for British imperialism...<BR/><BR/>One thought about the Atlee govt: although nationalisation took place, it was of the Morrisonian variety and was done on good terms for the ruling class.<BR/><BR/>I was dismayed to read in the Our Wales document no mention of citizen-initiated referenda, which got a mention in the "rainbow" document.<BR/><BR/>The democratisation of the state within Wales -- in terms of local government and the devolved assembly -- is of great importance, and i hope that something more concrete than promises to be more deliberative and participatory emerge over the next few months.Charlie Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770820928636046622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7368175516194303327.post-70915962277362787852007-06-28T15:18:00.000-07:002007-06-28T15:18:00.000-07:00Hey, come on. This fusion of political programmes ...Hey, come on. This fusion of political programmes by Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru could give us the strongest socialist government since 1945. They say some Labour AMs have been liberated by working on this deal. <BR/><BR/>It's fascinating to see Lord Kinnock trying to bring the Tories back into power for a second time. If he stops the Labour conference backing the coalition, that will be the outcome.<BR/><BR/>Of course, he did this before in 1979 by wrecking devolution then' leading to the fall of the Callaghan government and Margaret Thatcher's victory.<BR/><BR/>But then, unlike most Labour supporters, he's done well out of being a Brit nationalist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7368175516194303327.post-44819809084014051262007-06-28T14:43:00.000-07:002007-06-28T14:43:00.000-07:00You really are rubbing our noses in it Alan. D...You really are rubbing our noses in it Alan. Dod you return to this country and join Plaid this year to destroy it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7368175516194303327.post-8347497443364805702007-06-28T12:16:00.000-07:002007-06-28T12:16:00.000-07:00I concur, but wouldn't bet on it happening. As for...I concur, but wouldn't bet on it happening. As for the name "social democratic" feels too close to the old SDP... How's about Workers' Party of Wales -- aliterative and has the word worker in it. Imagine the irony of Blair and Brown leading a New Workers party...<BR/><BR/>The most out-there suggestion is that Welsh Labour and Plaid merge post-independence...Charlie Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770820928636046622noreply@blogger.com